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Hi! I am a Korean Housing Agent at Itaewon,Seoul. I am looking for sociable business partner and foreign friends.I want to keep in touch with anyone who has some connections in foreigner's communities in Seoul and wants to know about Korea. Please feel free to contact me for detailed matters at my mobile number 016-424-5108. Have a nice day. Best regards. S.H.Chang

12-14-2004 at 08:10 AM | Quote Reply
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Only a fool would do business with a Korean.
Expats in Korea be warned!!! Koreans are not to be trusted in business. Sorry Mr Chang.

12-14-2004 at 02:08 PM | Quote Reply
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*blink*

I don't even know what to say to that...

01-01-2005 at 04:20 AM | Quote Reply
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Yo frogmouth, you have some bad experience? but yeah, i would definately follow your advice.....shisty people all over the place.....scoundrels! seriously though

01-01-2005 at 04:29 PM | Quote Reply
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Anybody who has done any business in Korea knows this place is a snake pit.....

01-02-2005 at 12:43 PM | Quote Reply
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First of all, keep in mind that in a sense if you're working for a hagwon your director "owns" you. Taking a job outside the hagwon, even a non-teaching one, may be a violation of your contract. Since that contract is the basis of your visa, you can (theoretically) be deported for working for someone else in your free time. Whether this actually becomes a problem for you depends in part on how discreet you are. The safe way to handle such work is to channel it through your hagwon director. (Who no doubt will take a cut. Who am I kidding? ;-)

Enough of that. On to the matter raised by Frogmouth (love that name).

Let's face it, Korea is not really that much different from other aggressively capitalist countries - making money is the prime directive. Thus it's pretty much normal for business owners to exploit their workers. That's kind of what capitalism is about, and there aren't a lot of nations more capitalistic than Korea! I've read that some of the worst sweatshops in China are run not by Chinese, but by Koreans. (I think that's germane to the discussion, though I'm not sure why.)

But, but, but. (There's always a "but.") I really don't think it's fair to paint all Korean business people with the same broad brush, any more than it's right for them to characterize all westerners as lazy. Good Korean bosses do take care of their employees. They do so partly because the employees are business assets. In this way they're like their western counterparts. (Or like their western counterparts *used* to be, but that's another matter entirely.)

Good Korean bosses also take care of their employees because it's the Korean way, based on Confucian traditions. They have something of a parental attitude toward their employees. And if you're a "good kid," you'll usually get better treatment than a "bad kid."

So business relationships with Koreans work on different rules. Call them "good dad, good kid" rules. As you may have (should have) noticed, gift-giving and reciprocity are a big part of the culture. There's a similar give and take in the employer - employee relationship.

I know that some westerners say you should hold tight to your hagwon contracts and don't budge an inch. I don't think that's a good strategy. If you use the same kinds of controntational tactics you might use with western employers, you're apt to damage the relationship. If you keep the parental-ish relationship in mind, you'll be able to work the situation better. For their part, successful Korean employers will understand the differences in working culture and make an effort to meet their western employees halfway.

I think this give and take / meet you halfway attitude - on both sides - is a good chunk of the difference between a great hagwon job and a year in hell. It also explains why some westerners find that they are actually treated *better* than their Korean colleagues in the hagwon. (If you're sufficiently outwardly directed to do your part in the relationship, you're probably also sufficiently outwardly directed to notice this and understand why. ;-)

So I'd say that if you get on well with your hagwon director, or whatever current Korean boss you have, you probably have the tools you need to recognize a good employer and maintain a decent business relationship with him or her. You also probably have the kind of situation where you can clear the outside gig with your director.

And if you *don't* get on with your director ... well, I guess it'll either be a second chance or a second disaster. ;-)

Kutogi
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01-13-2005 at 03:25 AM | Quote Reply
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So which Hagwon are you a director for? Ohh, I see the link at the bottome....you direct US to THEM....it aaalll makes sense now...somewhat. Please...even my Korean wife gets jerked around...and once was not paid for work that she did. No matter what line of work your in, the picture is pretty grim here.....so much for 9 to 5's, eh?

01-13-2005 at 02:47 PM | Quote Reply
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I'm not going to dispute anything claimed here. I don't feel like debating right now.

But I do want to tell you that I feel very insulted for being forced under the umbrella of untrustworthiness for no more reason than that I was born where I was born.

"A magnificient world... many wise men have lived and died there, along with the usual proportion of idiots and villains." ~ Robert A. Heinlein, from "The Citizen of the Galaxy"

01-14-2005 at 08:12 AM | Quote Reply
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I agree with frogmouth... hehehe
I would never do business with a Korean man unless they pay me in advance.
Cause they like to delay payment or just keep the money according to my bad experiences.



(By the way, I am Korean... want to do business )

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01-14-2005 at 05:57 PM | Quote Reply
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Yup....Unfortunately that is the way it is ....from my experience....maybe not in dealing with Koreans overseas, but here in Korea people are always changing their words.....yup...keep on delaying keep on delaying....the excuses they come up with are great....I beg to differ---it IS much different than other aggressive capitalist countries....can't compare it with any....Brightcomet, sorry if it seems like I'm putting labels on you, but this has been my experience....try to keep a sense of humor about it.....Hey...I'm a "f**kin" American, right? Hahahah...energy sucking Americans....

01-18-2005 at 05:18 PM | Quote Reply
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I was burned once by a Korean "business partner"...never agian.

01-24-2005 at 02:02 PM | Quote Reply
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